Today we're at Southwest Aquaticsin Central California, and today is gonna mark the first episode ofour aquatic plant discussions.
I have a very special guest foryou to meet, his name is Jim Purcell, andhe's been running this facility and, Since 1980, he's been providingaquatic plants to our industry.
He has a wealth of knowledge.
He was the president of the International Water GardenSociety not once, but twice.
We have so much to learn from him.
We're on about ten acres of propertywith three acres of aquatic plants.
So there's so much to cover, andwe're going to pick his brain and learn as much as possible.
Come on in andI'll introduce you to Jim.
>> Hi, Eric.
>> It smells amazing in here.
>> It is amazing.
>> It is amazing.
All spring and summer.
>> 35 years,commercially doing aquatic plants.
That's a long time isn't it? >> How did it all began? >> Began in a pet store.
>> Pet store.
>> First pet store I even owned,I grew aquatic plants and sold them and.
>> For ponds right? >> For ponds, and pretty soon Igot to be growing too many, and so I started to wholesaling them.
>> It's because in the 80'sthat's where it all began for.
>> That is where it all began,absolutely.
>> How cool.
Well we have a lot to cover here,we have three acres of plants? >> Yeah.
>> Something like that? >> Yeah we do.
>> We have a lot of greenhouses to cover today.
>> You think we can do it in one day? >> No, I think you're goingto need to come back.
But you'll also need to comeup to our Oregon branch.
My partner Farina,Farina Liechti runs that one.
>> She actually used to beplant production manager at Maryland Aquatics for 10 years, before she came to be tobe co-owner of Oregon Aquatics.
And then we opened this branch here.
>> And it's bigger than this? >> It's way bigger than this.
>> How much time are wegonna to need up there? A week.
>> A week, okay.
Well, you know where Iwant to get started.
I want to start right from the getgo on night blooming water lilies.
Tropicals of course.
>> That sounds great.
Let's do it.
>> Let's do it.
>> All right.
>> So this is maroon beauty,it's what we would consider a red.
It's a night blooming tropical.
>> She's a beauty.
>> She is a beauty, and she is open in the daytime eventhough she's a night bloomer.
That's a misconceptionthat most people have, that they want a day bloomer becausethey get to see it in the day time, when in fact they are usuallyat work when it's open.
>> Let's fix thismisnomer right now.
>> Let's do it.
>> Lets talk about it.
>> Night blooming tropicals, theiropen in the evening when you can enjoy them when you're sitting outthere having a glass of wine or a beer.
>> Okay,well let's talk about evening.
Cuz what's evening to you? Evening means dark.
>> Evening is still light.
>> It usually starts opening up before dark.
Is it at 4 o'clock, 2 o'clock? >> No, it's late.
>> Five?>> It's late.
It's late in the day, so it's morelike you know, an hour before dark.
Something like that.
>> Even in the summer? Like if it's dark at eight it'sgoing to come out around seven? >> Something like that.
>> It'll start opening.
>> Let's just get clear on that.
>> So you're gonna be able to->> An hour before sunset.
>> So you're gonna->> It starts to open.
>> And it's gonna vary a littlebit from cultivar to cultivar.
Some will open earlier.
Some will open a little bit later.
But they stay open all night.
They look great.
>> Smells great too.
>> When you up-light themwith submerged lighting, they look great all night.
And they'll stay open until 10 or11 the next morning.
So you actually, formost people who work for a living.
They have an opportunityto enjoy it a lot more.
>> If it's a night bloomer, than a day bloomer.
>> In the evening time when theyget home, it's still light.
>> And they're starting to open.
>> Yep, and then->> And in the morning.
>> While they're having theirmorning coffee or whatever.
>> Getting ready to go to work andthey're still open.
>> Cuz the day bloomers, they don't open until what,10, 11 maybe? >> Yeah.
>> About the same time these guys are- >> Same time these guys close.
>> Just closing up.
>> So it's very, very good to have these andday bloomers in the same pond.
So you've got allyour bases covered.
>> Very cool.
And you'd probably see one closing while theother is opening at the same time.
>> That's cool, crossover.
Do they call the leaf red? It's kind of red, butit's more of a bronze.
>> Yeah, I would call this bronzy orreddish.
And what you'll usually findis that the darker the flower, the darker the leaf color.
>> Oh, that's.
>> And with a green, with a greenleaf you'll have a white bloom and you'll have an intermediateon a pink, and the darker it gets usuallythe darker the leaf is.
There's a couple exceptions to that.
But as you can see this isa nice bronzy reddish color.
It's got very venation on the backas opposed to a day bloomer.
Here's a day bloomerleaf you can see.
>> Yeah,it's almost like it's folding in.
>> And it's much softer,much less rigid, and these have the serration onthe edge, kind of like saw teeth.
>> So they're very distinctnight blooming leaves.
>> It would seem that theseguys are more buoyant, right? You think that occurred naturally, like they needed to have morestrength underneath there? >> Yeah.
Probably more water action.
>> Orbigger frogs that land on them.
>> [LAUGH]>> [LAUGH] Right? >> That could be too.
Yeah, I would say that there's,this is additional defense.
>> Yeah,cuz they're a little bit sharp.
>> The little spikes.
So probably a little bit forpredation, but the stiffness and the venation is probably mostlydue to heavier water action.
>> It's a super cool plant.
So, is it, this one probablydoesn't occur in, naturally, right? >> It does not occur naturally.
For the most part,we only have cultivars here.
Just like you would have rosecultivars in your garden rather than the species, because we've developedhybrids that bloom more often.
That have larger blooms.
That have more intense colors.
Perhaps, that are lesstemperamental.
>> All reasons why you would notsell species roses as a nursery.
Or own them as a homeowner.
>> But you would have the cultivars.
It's the same thingwith water lilies.
Now, this is Maroon Beauty.
That was I would say,an accidental hybridization.
In 1950, by Perry Slocum.
And, it came from a seedling ofHarstick, which is another red.
But, needs more heat thanMaroon Beauty does and so this has become a muchmore popular plant.
>> Let's talk about that.
It needs more heat.
I mean, this,we're in a greenhouse, right? >> We are.
>> We're not, butthe plants are, so.
They want it more tropical.
They call it a tropical lily.
I mean,I'm in Southern California, so a lot of times this plantwill come back for us.
It will generally be.
Winter-hardy and tropical,and in Southern California, that's considered a fairlysubtropical climate.
Night bloomers are actuallypretty hardy when it comes to winter hardiness even though theylike the heat to become active.
>> The tubers willoften remain viable, dormant over the winter in a colderclimate than a day bloomer will.
But they do likethe heat to get started.
So it's not likely that if youwinter them over that they're going to come up early untilthe warm weather comes.
>> Let me show you whatsize pot this is in.
Because this is actually a goodsized lily for this size pot.
This is an eight inch wideby five inch, deep pot.
>> And that's what we call a lily gallon.
And we grow them in a wide, shallow pot because that'swhat the plants like.
They don't need the depth,it's easier for them to oxygenate the soil ifthey're in a shallower pot.
Wider pots don't tip as easily.
But this is a good starter-size pot.
You can see all the rootsthat are coming out.
>> It definitely wants to be moved up in a larger size pot now.
Unfortunately, most people, when they take these home, theydon't put them in a larger size pot.
And that's like havinga Rhododendron or a palm tree in a one gallon pot and never moving it into a biggersized container in your yard.
Well, here's the thought process, a lot of times they take that onegallon pot, they take it home and they stick it in the ground.
So there's no pot forthem to even consider, right? >> Right.
>> Sometimes they'll do a patio and they'll put plants in a pot, but they usually move them up>> Right.
>> So in an aquatic plant,in a water lily.
>> They don't think about it.
>> Yeah, a lot of them they're justlike, let's put it in the water, it's going to be fine.
>> Or they do think about it andthey say, oh, I'll do that later.
And guess what? Once it gets in the pond,it stays in the pond.
>> It doesn't get fertilized,it doesn't get moved up.
The best thing to do is buy a 16inch diameter by 7 inch deep pot something around that size.
>> 16 by 7, that's the magic number? >> Yep, 16 by 7.
>> And we'll get a full plant? >> Buy the potting media,buy the fertilizer, and you'll get a full size plant.
You will have basicallyconstant bloom, and you'll have much larger blooms,and you'll have what you want.
All right, that's good advice.
I'm gonna make sure we pressthis home to our clients.
Well take me to another red.
We've got one right down here.
A Red Flare.
It's the deepest red, andwe should catch it before it closes.